Tulpa.info - metaphysics

@malice I would be very curious to hear from you what you see are the similarities and differences between tulpa creation and Yidam creation.

@Lusovius I'm typing up a list now.

It seems as if the author of your book is talking about the same concept of diety yoga to help an adept expierence the Buddha nature used in a different way or over a more short term period. (edited)

Similarities: Intensive focus on the internal manifested The Yidam is manifested all day, every day, from it's creation. The only difference here is instead of being a companion, all activites that a Tantric adept partakes in throughout the day are directed as offerings toward the Yidam. "On rising, listen for the Yidam's voice" - Quote from the authors guru on the daily life of a Tantric practitoner who practices Guru yoga. Yidams are recognized as manifestations of the adepts mind as well as separate entities. This is used to teach non-duality through experience. Absence of doubt is essential

6:26 AM

Differences: Given definition of a Yidam: "a Tibetan term meaning a male or female symbolic deity required for certain meditational purposes" The Yidam seems like an unchanging archetype rather than a fluid being as tulpas are. It seems more like it guides Buddhists toward their goal with its presence. Adepts may manifest the Yidam for their entire life, or choose to dissolve it into the void once they have expierenced their goal in its subtle forms. Because the Yidam is essential for death and because it is said that as adepts move on to the higher levels of practice they are encouraged to practice the lower levels simultaneously, this is unclear. Yidam is selected for adept by Guru from the already existent Buddhist Yidam archetypes. These archetypes are firmly believed by Buddhists to be something that already and has always existed inside our consciousness, these are the same as Jungean archetypes although in Buddhism there are more. The Yidam is seen as the Guru, the Triple Gem, and the Void embodied already, not just having the potential obscured by the ego as humans (and potentially tulpas) do. The Yidam is used to negate ego of the practitioner and attain enlightenment.

It could also be said that tuplas work as ego negating forces in some respects. As much focus that is placed on the internal manifested is also placed on the external internalized with Yidams. The Yidam is seen as an essential aspect of guidence through Bardo after death The Yidam is seen as a powerful tool for helping adepts harness and experience the power of all that the Yidam is, for themselves. (Could our tulpas be empowering us with their traits?)

6:27 AM

Also, the Yidam has the power to protect the practitioner psychologically in certain ways. I think within my own personal experience this has been true of my tulpas.

Hm yes, It seems that the practice you're refrencing: Yidam. Is different from the practice refrenced in that book that someone else had photographed: Sadhana

3:23 PM

Your list of differences though seems to be just a list of what Yidam is. I suppose I would actually need to go about doing the required research into modern Tulpa creation in order to infer the differences you seem to be bringing up.

I'll still post here tho. Most of you anti metas don't look here anyway

Ah I see, I sort of assumed you had already made a tulpa or knew much of what they are like in that response

nope. i'm a brand new baby to tulpas, except for that one mind-dragon/guardian spirit I told story about earlier

4:46 AM

That was well before I ever heard the term Tulpa. like 15 years ago old

How old were you at the time?

somewhere between 12 and 14. i don't recall completely. My sense of time is weird and I have trouble matching age to memories

And he was around for a few months IIRC?

It’s a baby host?

I mean it depends. As I mentioned I had a stuffed animal that resembled a dragon from when I was several years younger. When I met the guy that told me I had him he apparently already knew he existed and was there. So it largely depends on if you believe that it's possible for another person (a psychic) to see your mind-spirit. If it is possible then it's probable that I had him for several years and just didn't do any forcing of the type people do these days. So that he existed, but wasn't a big part of my conscious mind until after I was told about him from someone else. After I was told about him I don't have an exact time frame between then and when he left. I'm estimating a few months. But as I said my sense of time is terrible. I wouldn't even call what I was doing with him active forcing. I'd just imagine him with me as I did stuff and that was enough for me. Eventually I would feel him nearby and feel some of his emotions but he never really talked.

5:01 AM

@Sleepy_neko a what?

Teehee I’m just teasing :P

5:02 AM

I like lurking in meta then not commenting so shh you’re interesting ><

When I met the guy that told me I had him he apparently already knew he existed and was there.

Hmm yeah not sure if I really buy into that sort of ish

I think it's pretty normal to not be able to associate young memories with an exact age

5:04 AM

To me... it just depends on how much of a skilled/ wise dude you think that guy was, i think there's the potential is there but it's rare.

I'm still kinda like 50/50 on ghosts, spirits, anything meta really... I would believe in a heartbeat if I had any such experiences of my own haha

@Sleepy_neko I will not shh

Hmph then I suppose I’ll be continued to be outted

excellent

5:05 AM

this channel needs more love anyway

Im the book I meantioned earlier the guy is a pretty reliable author imo and he recounts having gurus who could read his mind

yeah, I'd like to think the guy was a wise dude, but i was young and dumb. He did introduce me to the akashic records though, so it's possible he just had access to that space and it was there that he gleaned his knowledge about the dragon from.

Not really sure I buy into the Akashic records either

I wish I were able to get back in touch with the guy, but mom doesn't recall his name. (edited)

5:07 AM

that's ok, your belief is not really necessary for my own beliefs

Phew!

How do the akashic records align with the multiverse theory? or do they dispute it?

I'm not too familiar with multiverse theory. So i'll just say that the akashic records are a repository for all that has ever happened and all that will ever happen, but only for this planet. Each world has it's own hall of records.

For starters, even if that was possible, I don't see why it would be uhh let's say necessary

5:25 AM

The entire "point" of our life experience is that it unfolds in spacetime

5:27 AM

And despite it behaving mechanically, meaning consistently according to cause and effect, it's also infinitely complex, and arises spontaneously in the present moment

5:27 AM

The laws of physics likewise aren't "written down in code" anywhere, they are what's happening right here right now

Time doesn't exist in the akashic records. And, a record of all that is is important. For instance you can access the hall of records to gain a nonbias look at events that have happened in your life, to see with eyes unclouded in order to assist in working through trauma.

I think you could do that same thing without any record of your life

5:54 AM

The only thing that's needed to see (in order for guilt and regrets etc to fall away) is that our actions were never our doing, that we're always lived by life through design, conditioning and circumstance

I mean that's true for some people. In that once they believe that then everything will be good. But not everyone can follow that path.

Not everyone can access the Akashic records, lol

5:57 AM

once they believe that then everything will be good

there will still be pleasure and pain, but no longer disturbing our peace of mind

Everyone accesses the Akashic records unconsciously multiple times a day. It's there and it's being used. I have a book I'll go grab titled your book of life that says it better than I can.

according to this book: "Everyone access the Akasha unconsciously through intuitive feelings, sudden urges, vivid dreams, inspirations, spiritual insights or just plain gut feelings" According to this book data is placed there prior to incarnating, and also through our responses to life.

And I know you already looked up the Akashic Records and debunked it as being made up by the Theosophibal Society in the late 1800s, but this author seems to think that the origins are from Tibet. To quote from the book

"The Akasha, or Akashic Records as it is now known, derives from two words, Aka -- space (also storage place or repository) and Sa -- sky (also secret or hidden). These terms originate out of the ancient cultures of norther India and Tibet. This puts the earliest historical evidence of the Akasha in Tibet around 7500BCE. It was known to the pre-Buddhist priests of the Himalayan religion that each Soul wrote every moment of it's existence in a great book prior to its first incarnation. It was further known that these lesson plans could be viewed in their entirety if one was of the right mind. These early teachings were brought forth by the gyatso, or monks from the first days of mankind on Earth and formed many of the stories written in the Sanskrit sutras."

It goes on to mention supposed Akasha use by many other cultures and peoples. But it should be noted that in the footnotes on the origins of it being a Tibetian word it flat out states that the very ancient teachings of Tibet are forever lost to the Western world now that China has complete control over Tibetan culture. And then goes into a tangent about how the Chinese government managed to install a false Panchen Lama in place. So take what you will from that.

6:41 AM

This image is one of many included in the book, which you are supposedly able to meditate upon in order to access the records

Very fascinating! Thanks for that

Not everyone can access the Akashic records, lol

@Maharani here's where you're wrong, my friend. The holder of the Akashic records is here. AMA, lmao

5:50 PM

Anything one ever accesses from it loses its meaning at that very instant since your subjective filter changes that information in such a way so that it fits your understanding

5:51 PM

So if it is an information on something you do not have the necessary resources in order to properly percieve/understand, your mind will "fill in the gaps"

5:51 PM

Sort of like how you can confabulate memories

5:52 PM

So the moment you return with that information, chances are it is not valid anymore

5:53 PM

So yeah, anyone can access it, but no, not anyone can use it for practical meanings

5:54 PM

@Deleted User I said u could ask, not that I would answer. Lmao (edited)

5:56 PM

Then access it and ask. Lemme know how it goes, lol

Yeah idk I just don't see any reason to believe why they should exist

5:58 PM

As I said, a personal experience in this regard would prove most useful...

6:03 PM

Oh, hold on, I see I have some DMs P:

Pasted from DMs, would love for other people to comment on it too

7:30 PM

About "souls"

7:30 PM

The conceptual framework I keep rattling off about says that a human being is "the impersonal consciousness of source functioning through a particular body/mind organism as personal consciousness" "Source" is infinite potential "nothingness", and the universe is that potential manifesting in space/time But it says that we can never "know" source in its unmanifest potential state The best we can know is our "own" source, our personal consciousness Formless awareness coupled with the impersonal sense of "I am" Out of which the experience (including our body/mind organism) arises So maybe we could say that our core "consciousness" is our soul But it doesn't exist independent of the experience There is no consciousness in deep sleep, and we have no way of knowing that death will be different from deep sleep Consciousness of source needs a body/mind vehicle to function as a personal consciousness experience So all of this is to say that in a way, the purpose of a body/mind organism is to host a "soul" (or, in the case of tulpa systems, several souls) Without the body/mind host organism, there is no soul, just "infinite potential nothingness" Does that make sense? The body/mind system and consciousness sort of "give rise to each other", they're interdependent That's why it's called a non-dual teaching

It's very impressive to see this channel so active recently

lol it's mostly me harassing people with my framework

11:19 PM

And yeah I do use a lot of quotation marks haha

11:19 PM

To like, underline that these are concepts that are awkward to verbalize

11:20 PM

Also quick reminder that I don't consider this framework the least bit meta

11:20 PM

There's nothing esoteric about it

11:20 PM

But I also know I spam lounge enough with it as is lol

Infinite potential gives rise to spacetime universe Determined potential gives rise to human being (My words, not Roger's) In deep sleep, we're in a "potential" state too. The potential manifests when we wake up

11:29 PM

It's nothingness, but it's not an "empty" nothingness, instead it's "potential" nothingness

"In the beginning there was nothing"

Okay so this is 100 % just a concept, not something "knowable", but it just describes like "potential" prior to "universe unfolding in spacetime"

11:31 PM

In the beginning, the universe was infinitesimally small

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And then it "exploded" into being possibly infinitely large

11:32 PM

It's not really so important

11:33 PM

Other than to say that consciousness "needs" a spacetime universe in order to produce a "human being experience"

@Reguile I don't think it's all that impressive that this channel is so active. All it took was a new energy entering the server (me) poking someone like (Shake) into sharing a bunch of their beliefs and then having a continued dialogue about beliefs. (and also continued efforts from all us heathens to give this channel more love)

I think it's impressive, it's been dead for a while

guess that makes sense, sure?

Yeah. What most people "don't recognize", and what creates their unhappiness, is that the inverse is also true: The experience of living as a human being in a spacetime universe arises in consciousness

11:48 PM

The experience is "made of" consciousness (edited)

11:49 PM

That's because it is!

11:51 PM

And yet it remains "unrecognized" by human beings, who only ever perceive themselves as independent actors, missing out on the fact that they're characters in a "simulation" or dream or "conscious experience"

11:52 PM

The waking life experience is only different from dreams in that the experience consistently follows laws of cause and effect (edited)

all belief is wrong

so tl;dr solipsism is wrong

People have told me that this framework is solipsistic

11:53 PM

Because all we can know is that we have an experience that we're conscious of, everything else is just a belief

11:53 PM

(or inferred)

11:57 PM

So I mean keep in mind these are just concepts, designed as pointers for exploring our own experience

11:57 PM

The teaching offers the concept that "impersonal consciousness" links to a body/mind organism (let's say at conception) and then functions as "personal consciousness"

11:57 PM

But it says that impersonal consciousness is "unknowable" because it's the absence of experience

11:58 PM

The best we can know is our own personal consciousness, but that's "good enough" in order for our attitude of resistance that creates all our unhappiness to fall away

11:59 PM

Formless awareness (you could say the "functioning of the senses") and the impersonal sense of "I am", the instinctual sense of existence

12:00 AM

Everything else is "layered on top", including the body/mind organism

12:01 AM

wait, so what's the difference between personal and impersonal consciousness?

It's really just a teaching concept that says "consciousness is prior to experience", in order for consciousness to be "recognized" in the first place, but in practice, consciousness and experience are interdependent

12:02 AM

There is no consciousness in deep sleep, and for all we know, death is probably like deep sleep

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The absence of experience

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lol